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Tuesday, May 12, 2020

Remembering the Culver Line

Hi Folks:

     The transit related website subchat had this week a great deal of information and photos dealing with the Culver Shuttle.    I would like to list some thoughts about my experiences but I cannot give you written proof of the same:

  1.  I remember when the section of the Culver Line was painted from the south of the ramp at Fort Hamilton Parkway to Ditmas Aveue.   It was 1958 and the color was green.   The structure was never painted again.  I remember as a child being in the street  at 13th Avenue and 37 Street and seeing the painters working.  They were very sloppy and a lot of paint drops fell on a wooden track bumper for one of the South Brooklyn RR track sidings right next to the apartment house at the southwestern intersection.  Those drops were still visible years later as the bumper still existed.
  2. I do not remember but it was suggested the the Culver Line's south bound (western side of the el) track was shut down for a while and there was a shuttle operation for a few days?  The site states that the TA was getting that track ready for permanent use so the northbound track became the shuttle track.  Of course,  after the snowstorm in 1960? the western track became the only track in use.   I do not remember such a switch because as a child,  a child would not use the subway every day.
  3. There were a lot of South Brooklyn track sidings in those years around 13th and 14th Avenues under the el.   There were two basic tracks equipped with trolley wire under the el ,  and sidings parallel to factories specially near 37th Street and Old New Utrecht Road.  One track went under the southwestern stairway to the el and it was equipped with trolley wire.
  4. At the location of 37th Street and Old New Utrecht Road from the above staircase,  you could have seen a very basic knife switch to cut of power to the SBRR trolley system.   It was out in the open and not protected.
  5. Between 14th and 15th Avenues, on the eastern side of the el, but not under it, was a short stub track that was equipped with trolley wire suspended from the easterly side support pillars of the el.
  6. In the 1970's at a university I came across  a "New York City Regional Plan" dated from the 1920's and even at this early date,  there was discussion to extend the IND subway at Church Avenue southward.   But listen to this, if  I remember correctly,  the portal would have been at Eighteenth Avenue!   Remember at this time, the el over Gravesend (McDonald) Avenue was only ten years old.   What would this have done to a Culver Line?
  7. Many years ago,  I spoke to someone at ERA headquarters and he was interested in the Independent Subway extension south from Church Avenue.  Hes said that in the underground pocket used for relays south of Church Avenue at the approach of the ramp,  there are signals ( I do not know if they are working or just the shell) facing south.  This would mean that the pocket in some plans could have been extended beyond under the ramp perhaps southward to 18th Avenue.   Were would the new ramp be planned to be?
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