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Thursday, April 20, 2017

Proposed Waterfront Streetcar Between Brooklyn and Queens may be in Trouble

Hi Folks:

  Sorry for being away, but not too much was happening.   New news recently came about that the proposed waterfront streetcar between Brooklyn and Queens may be in trouble.  One source of trouble is the funding and the second may be the opposition form neighborhood residents and groups.  This may have been predicted.  One trouble source may be the cost of relocating utilities along the many mile right of way.  Why utilities should be relocated if new streetcar tracks do not need to have a base very deep into he ground is a question that I have.  This point killed the proposed 42nd Street Light Rail Line around 1994?   Other bad news, or lack of news, is that of the proposed trolleybus systems for Spokane, Washington and Montreal Quebec.    I think these proposals are dead because the away from the wire technology using batteries and capacitors is really advancing. Who needs wires anymore?  So systems buy battery buses.  The proposed trolley bus system for Leeds in England died about a year ago as well.

For establishing a new streetcar system or line for an area that is hostile towards electric transit or did not have it for many years, I would:


  1. Start with a very small line.
  2. The line should be a very strong feeder to a subway line where no other transportation is available except feed in bus lines.
  3. Development of real estate should not be a factor.  They can be used in built up areas.
  4. The new line should be marketed for efficiency in terms of moving people at a low cost, lower than that of diesel or battery buses.
  5. The new line should be somewhat grade separated from other traffic.
  6. The new line should not be expensive and have  not have all the bells and whistles.  A simple on surface stations should be available will a small canopy.
  7. If possible, used equipment should be used to emphasize low cost and efficiency,  New equipment can come later.
  8. The line should not block the view ( wires ) of  people who are hostile towards any type of wires.
  9. Modern streetcars are much more comfortable than any type of bus.  Conversion of diesel bus lines to streetcar should be put forth on the basis of efficiency, environment and passenger comfort.
  10. If possible, a streetcar line should feed seamlessly into existing heavy rail, such as found in Toronto.  Streetcars at some terminals dive underground and meet heavy rail at platform level for easy transfer between modes.  This can be very expensive for cities like New York.  A candidate would be the Essex Delancey former trolley terminal in the Lower East Side.  Do not use this hidden facility as a park but make it into a trolley terminal for streetcars going over the bridge.  This will help out when the "L' train tubes close down for repairs.
  11. Candidates may be: Streetcars at Pelham Bay Park station (6)  to Co-op City.
  12. End of Queens rapid transit lines:  179th Street Jamaica, Parsons-Archer.
  13. Staten Island routes and former North Shore Line.
  14. Central Bronx:  Former right of way of the Third Avenue El.
  15. Brooklyn:  Pennsylvania Avenue, Nostrand Avenue at Brooklyn College
  16. Lower East Side Manhattan access via a far east avenue to Union Square or 14th Street.


A Comment:
    Earth Day has been around for almost 50 years.  This year we celebrate it on April 22, 2017.
Of course, the City of New York, the various mayors that we had during this time and the Transit Authority are pro environment.  How come rarely or perhaps never, modern streetcars and trolleybuses were proposed as an efficient way to deal with the environment?  There are hundreds of bus lines in New York City; certainly at least one of them meets the criteria from an objective engineering viewpoint to be a good candidate for conversion into trolleybus or streetcar, not because of development but because of efficiency and comfort.


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Friday, January 2, 2015

Montreal Also to get Trolleybuses by 2017?



This link was posted by WillD of subchat this week dealing with Montreal's 100% Electric Future.
Thank you WillD so much.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aKx-WrdfzJY#t=0

Montreal's all-electric future

Posted by WillD on Thu Jan 1 08:58:53 2015

STM appears to be serious about electric surface transportation.

Since New York City may bet some of its electric from Canada, why not New York?

Friday, August 17, 2012

Montreal and Spokane Washington will look at or study Electric Trolleybuses



News Bulletin of the Edmonton Trolley Coalition
Sustainable Transit for Liveable Communities
www.trolleycoalition.org
Edited by Robert R. Clark, retired supervisor of transit planning

http://www.trolleycoalition.org/pdf/bulletin26.pdf


      In the United States and Canada, there is not much news in recent years regarding addtional cities interested in establishing new trolleybus systems.  There is some activity regarding fleet renewals in Seattle and elsewhere, but compared to light rail or tramway activity regarding new starts ups, the situation at least in North America was bleak.  Please see the link above published by the Edmonton Trolley Coalition regarding Montreal and Spokane, Washington.  Not all bus routes have the statistical numbers required for conversion to light rail or tramway and I hope that trolleybuses would fill a nitch.  Worldwide, new trolleybus start ups I believe have been slow as well, with some start ups in Italy and Saudi Arabia.  I think that it is very exciting that Montreal wants to establish big trolleybus system because it is our neighbor to the north and is very close to New York City.  Quebec is rich in hydo-electric resources and will use clean electricity to run it's fleet.  I am not sure about this, but New York City also may get some electric power from Quebec and it is natural that New York City should also consider trolleybus transport.  In fact, for a short period of time, perhaps 20 years ago, electric trolleybus service was considered for First and Second Avenues in Manhattan as a alternative to the Second Avenue subway.  Of course, nothing ever became of the proposal.

... and it may work well with e-trucks.

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